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Bygga & Bo => Övrigt om bygga & bo => Ämnet startat av: buildswedish skrivet 30 jul-16 kl 03:37
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First off, I can't speak Swedish, but I'm a European citizen who wants to move to Sweden for as self-sustainable as possible living that's not damaging to the nature. Having said that, I'll have a Google Translation in case there are people who have great information to share but do not speak English (although I am yet to meet a Scandinavian who doesn't speak English, unlike people from other European countries I have met so far).
So, I'm very interested in just buying my land and building a house. I love the idea of a Hobbithus! But! I doubt you can get a planning permission for it. Especially if you are like me and are on a budget. So, how do you go about building an earth-shelter?
Först ut, jag kan inte tala svenska, men jag är en EU-medborgare som vill flytta till Sverige så självförsörjande som möjligt levande som inte är skadligt för naturen. Med detta sagt, jag har en hjälp i fall det finns människor som har bra information att dela men inte talar engelska (även om jag ännu inte träffat en skandinavisk som inte talar engelska, till skillnad från människor från andra europeiska länder I har träffat hittills).
Så jag är mycket intresserad av att bara köpa mitt land och bygga ett hus. Jag älskar tanken på en Hobbithus! Men! Jag tvivlar på att du kan få en bygglov för det. Särskilt om du är som mig och är på en budget. Så, hur du går om att bygga en jord skydd?
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There are some ways around the permit. You could buy some land with an old house in bad shape on, that would probably not raise the price too much. Then you can build a 25m² complementary building (attefallshus) without permit, all you need is to tell the authorities that you will build.
What you need is land outside the planned areas around the cities. Out in the countryside you can get building permit for pretty much what you want. A Hobbit house might be no problem getting permit for. Or, you might not even need a permit, you can build some simpler buildings without permit as long as you are not in an area with lots of houses around. Or you can build without permit, and pay the fine if you get caught afterward.
It is not impossible, that's the bottom line. You might experience some moisture problem though, building under ground in a cool, wet climate is not too easy.
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There are some ways around the permit. You could buy some land with an old house in bad shape on, that would probably not raise the price too much. Then you can build a 25m² complementary building (attefallshus) without permit, all you need is to tell the authorities that you will build.
What you need is land outside the planned areas around the cities. Out in the countryside you can get building permit for pretty much what you want. A Hobbit house might be no problem getting permit for. Or, you might not even need a permit, you can build some simpler buildings without permit as long as you are not in an area with lots of houses around. Or you can build without permit, and pay the fine if you get caught afterward.
It is not impossible, that's the bottom line. You might experience some moisture problem though, building under ground in a cool, wet climate is not too easy.
That is actually exactly what I was looking for, but didn't think it exists!
I was thinking of buying an old shack (you can't live in it, it's in a really bad shape) and just renovating it. But building a 25m2 complementary building is just perfect! I was drawing some plans for myself for the past couple of weeks, and the house was always around 25sqm.
Also, I actually want to live outside of the planned areas, where I see no neighbor homes when I walk outside to my "yard". And also I prefer the Northern areas (or perfectly - mid-Sweden), so perfectly - anything above Örebro, if you draw a horizontal line on the map.
As for simpler buildings, what type of buildings can I build without even letting know the municipality? (although I don't think there would be much trouble, of just "letting know", no inspections, extra charges, etc.)
Oh, and I don't really mind the fine as long as it's up to maybe 10000-15000sek, but can't they just tell me to tear it down instead of asking me for the fine and letting me keep it?
But what about electrical, sewage (I'm thinking of a composting toilet though) and water lines? I think they cost a lot to connect, and so I should buy a place where it is already connected to that other building?
By the way, there is an easy way to get around the moisture problem on the cheap, with materials you can find on-site. The key is to isolate your inside walls from the earth. Of course you lose the benefit of earth's temperature isolation, but you wouldn't need to heat your home much as long as your roof is insulated well enough. I'd suggest a "living" roof, like they used to do a millennium ago. If there are people who are interested, I will write a guide after I build my shelter.
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How nice that you would like to move to Sweden!
Sweden, as a whole, is not "cold and dry", its rather "cold and wet", except in a few areas.
So, @Ett svart får is wery rigth, there is a great techincal challenge in building houses that are partly underground i Sweden because of the wet conditions. And that is also the main reason why traditional swedish houses are built in wood, and the foundations are sligthly elevated above ground.
The ground selected for traditional houses is normally an elevated spot with dry, sandy soil. One other reason, is that the ground repetedly freezes and thaws, the ground moves, and foundations has to be built such a way that they do not cause the building to move the wrong way.
In most parts of Sweden, when you dig a well, there will be a reasonable water supply within 1-3 meters. And you can dig this well at nearly any random site.
Why not study Swedish traditional timber building which is a way of building houses that are adapted to the swedish climate since 1000:s years? Timberhouses are well suited for building self, once you learn.
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How nice that you would like to move to Sweden!
Sweden, as a whole, is not "cold and dry", its rather "cold and wet", except in a few areas.
So, @Ett svart får is wery rigth, there is a great techincal challenge in building houses that are partly underground i Sweden because of the wet conditions. And that is also the main reason why traditional swedish houses are built in wood, and the foundations are sligthly elevated above ground.
The ground selected for traditional houses is normally an elevated spot with dry, sandy soil. One other reason, is that the ground repetedly freezes and thaws, the ground moves, and foundations has to be built such a way that they do not cause the building to move the wrong way.
In most parts of Sweden, when you dig a well, there will be a reasonable water supply within 1-3 meters. And you can dig this well at nearly any random site.
Why not study Swedish traditional timber building which is a way of building houses that are adapted to the swedish climate since 1000:s years? Timberhouses are well suited for building self, once you learn.
Sorry, I edited my post now. I had another thread open and I wanted to comment there to a question someone asked, but I posted in the wrong one... Now I added details.
I didn't know about the 1-3 meter water problem... Hmm. I'm actually quite surprised, but not as much. Finland seems like the country of lakes and swamps (just from the map, I haven't investigated), and Norway a country of the mountains, Sweden, I think, is in the middle. But again - I'm not sure, but I'm quite interested in learning more. :-)
While it is possible to build an underground shelter like this, it is, indeed, quite difficult. Mainly because I would need to not only isolate the walls (and make the drainage), but also to hold off the pressure of the earth filling with water right there. That would require some strong reinforcements, maybe even metal...
As for Swedish traditional timber buildings, I actually wanted to build this the first time I thought about having a shelter. I love the style, and I like the traditional colors, too. The reason why I started looking for alternatives is because my budget is below 100000sek for everything (buying land, building the house, etc.), so it's hard to fit into that when I would have to buy timber. There is an alternative method where you build out of "earthbags", which would cost me (with a nice interior and exterior) up to 15000sek, but probably even less.
As far as I know, buying prepared timber would cost me a lot more than that, so I disgruntledly had to discard the idea of building a traditional wooden house. As for building in earth, I kinda like the idea of an underground shelter, and I would save a lot on heating, especially since my building would be small.
I'm open to any suggestions - where to get cheap timber, other ways to build my home, etc., etc.. I would like to get started sometime next month with buying a place and moving there to do something, whether it's renovations, garden, another house, etc.. Right now I have nothing set in stone except that I'd like to live in Sweden (which I knew for years already :-) ).
By the way, I have looked into traditional methods, as far as before the Viking Age. I think it's pretty amazing - possible because I like natural environments, wood, that kinda thing...
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As for simpler buildings, what type of buildings can I build without even letting know the municipality? (although I don't think there would be much trouble, of just "letting know", no inspections, extra charges, etc.)
You can build simple sheds, outhouses, firewood storage, greenhouse and so on without anyone care if you live in the countryside. If some idiot report you to the authorities and they think you are building too much they can ask you to seek permit or you can tear the building down. But it is unlikely that will happend, there is still some reason left even if's decreasing.Oh, and I don't really mind the fine as long as it's up to maybe 10000-15000sek, but can't they just tell me to tear it down instead of asking me for the fine and letting me keep it?´
The fine can be larger than that, but you are right, you can always tear it down instead and don't pay. And if the building is not reported in ten years they can't even fine you for it. But what about electrical, sewage (I'm thinking of a composting toilet though) and water lines? I think they cost a lot to connect, and so I should buy a place where it is already connected to that other building?
That's a main problem. If you can, you should buy a place where there's allready electricity, that will make it way cheaper and simpler. Or, you could use solar power or something like that. Not much sun in wintertime though. Sewer is a problem everywhere now, old systems do not meet the current regulations anymore. People have to upgrade everywhere. Big pain in the ass.
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I'm open to any suggestions - where to get cheap timber, other ways to build my home, etc., etc.. I would like to get started sometime next month with buying a place and moving there to do something, whether it's renovations, garden, another house, etc.. Right now I have nothing set in stone except that I'd like to live in Sweden (which I knew for years already :-) ).
Moving here when autumn is about to come? Well, if you still havn't left when spring arrives you will probably stay forever ;D
You should buy a place with some old house on then, where you can live when you build your new home.
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You can build simple sheds, outhouses, firewood storage, greenhouse and so on without anyone care if you live in the countryside. If some idiot report you to the authorities and they think you are building too much they can ask you to seek permit or you can tear the building down. But it is unlikely that will happend, there is still some reason left even if's decreasing.The fine can be larger than that, but you are right, you can always tear it down instead and don't pay. And if the building is not reported in ten years they can't even fine you for it. That's a main problem. If you can, you should buy a place where there's allready electricity, that will make it way cheaper and simpler. Or, you could use solar power or something like that. Not much sun in wintertime though. Sewer is a problem everywhere now, old systems do not meet the current regulations anymore. People have to upgrade everywhere. Big pain in the ass.
That sounds great, actually. Now, it might be, all I need to do is find a place with electricity and water, hehe.
As for solar power, I don't think it's feasible in Scandinavia. Well, it is, but only as a support system that goes with something else. Also, to support a whole house, it would cost a lot to build nowadays - solar panels aren't very efficient yet. I imagine in Scandinavia you would have a lot of "outages" this way. :-)
As for sewer, you mean manually or do you mean that the government takes care of it? If manually, I think a cheaper (and maybe even better) solution would be a composting toilet.
Moving here when autumn is about to come? Well, if you still havn't left when spring arrives you will probably stay forever ;D
You should buy a place with some old house on then, where you can live when you build your new home.
Haha, I love the cold, I'll be fine. :-D When I was a kid, I used to go to the store (around 5min of walking) in -25C, or -20 (it rarely was below -25C) with just a cool sweater. Turns heads, but I was too impatient to spend a few minutes putting on all the thick winter stuff just for 15 minutes. It's like buying something cheap from the US - shipping costs more than the merchandise. :-D
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As for sewer, you mean manually or do you mean that the government takes care of it? If manually, I think a cheaper (and maybe even better) solution would be a composting toilet.
If you have a composting toilet, you still need some kind of cleaning for your greywater - dish, shower, washing machine and so on. A lot simpler without water toilet, but you still need some kind of treatment for it.
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If you have a composting toilet, you still need some kind of cleaning for your greywater - dish, shower, washing machine and so on. A lot simpler without water toilet, but you still need some kind of treatment for it.
Hmm, that is a good point. So there is no way around sewage then I suppose. Which means I have to get a house/land with sewage, electricity, water, whether I want to build or not. Point is, my question about hobbithus has been answered, and more. I have to create one more thread without derailing this one even more, then I can reassess my options and see what is the best way to handle all this.
It's been a long time since I've been in a forum that gives quick, helpful and direct answers. :-)
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You need to buy something like THIS and "wing it"
http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/gard-ange-kommun-kolsillre-124-9576736 (http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/gard-ange-kommun-kolsillre-124-9576736)
http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-3rum-frisbo-hudiksvalls-kommun-frisbo-ii-9502315 (http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-3rum-frisbo-hudiksvalls-kommun-frisbo-ii-9502315)
http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-2rum-ravson-kramfors-kommun-ravson-111-9589555 (http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-2rum-ravson-kramfors-kommun-ravson-111-9589555)
http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-norrbyberg-lycksele-kommun-norrbyberg-164-9518135 (http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-norrbyberg-lycksele-kommun-norrbyberg-164-9518135)
http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/villa-3rum-junselevallen,-solleftea-kommun-vallen-503-9434476 (http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/villa-3rum-junselevallen,-solleftea-kommun-vallen-503-9434476)
just some examples of eastates on the cheper side. I guess prices are somewhat higher during spring and summer....
If you buy a piece of land that already have a registred house for living in it registred, then you can build an extra building of 15 m2 called friggebod with no permission at all. And you can build the house called attefallshus of 25 m2 with just a bygganmälan to the local authoroties. The "bygganmälan" costs money though wich varies dependig on which kommun it is in.
Can you get something with approwed sewage system then you save some money since it cost around 75-100 000 and up to build an approved one.
If you find something that is registred as a farm, then the rules for building stuff needed for the use of the farm like a machine-shed are easier than to get permission to build the same kind of building at other kind of estate
Note that "friggebod" is not allowed to build as a permanent home, but okay as a guest house with no toilet etc. "Attefallshus" is allowed to build like a permanent home.
The thing is that if you chose to live in your new built "attefallshobbithouse" then you can rent out the old house to for example visting tourists. And it is nice to have somewere to live when one build. Since stuff always take more time than planned.
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You need to buy something like THIS and "wing it"
[url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/gard-ange-kommun-kolsillre-124-9576736[/url] ([url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/gard-ange-kommun-kolsillre-124-9576736[/url])
[url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-3rum-frisbo-hudiksvalls-kommun-frisbo-ii-9502315[/url] ([url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-3rum-frisbo-hudiksvalls-kommun-frisbo-ii-9502315[/url])
[url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-2rum-ravson-kramfors-kommun-ravson-111-9589555[/url] ([url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-2rum-ravson-kramfors-kommun-ravson-111-9589555[/url])
[url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-norrbyberg-lycksele-kommun-norrbyberg-164-9518135[/url] ([url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-norrbyberg-lycksele-kommun-norrbyberg-164-9518135[/url])
[url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/villa-3rum-junselevallen,-solleftea-kommun-vallen-503-9434476[/url] ([url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/villa-3rum-junselevallen,-solleftea-kommun-vallen-503-9434476[/url])
just some examples of eastates on the cheper side. I guess prices are somewhat higher during spring and summer....
If you buy a piece of land that already have a registred house for living in it registred, then you can build an extra building of 15 m2 called friggebod with no permission at all. And you can build the house called attefallshus of 25 m2 with just a bygganmälan to the local authoroties. The "bygganmälan" costs money though wich varies dependig on which kommun it is in.
Can you get something with approwed sewage system then you save some money since it cost around 75-100 000 and up to build an approved one.
If you find something that is registred as a farm, then the rules for building stuff needed for the use of the farm like a machine-shed are easier than to get permission to build the same kind of building at other kind of estate
Note that "friggebod" is not allowed to build as a permanent home, but okay as a guest house with no toilet etc. "Attefallshus" is allowed to build like a permanent home.
The thing is that if you chose to live in your new built "attefallshobbithouse" then you can rent out the old house to for example visting tourists. And it is nice to have somewere to live when one build. Since stuff always take more time than planned.
Hmm, you say prices are higher in the summer and spring, so am I better to wait 1-2 months and then check the listings again?
Aha, so then definitely I want a house with an approved sewage system... 75,000-100,000 is my budget for the whole thing, haha.
Is that the only thing that a "farm" status change? So it is basically a bonus with no losses? :-)
And yes, I have thought about renting the old house. Renovating it, then renting it out. Thank you for the suggestion, I think it's a great one. I was wondering if I can build more houses and rent them out actually - I could do that if the land I get is bigger. Not all of it, just a part of course. I would like to enjoy my nature.
However there's one thing I'm worried about when it comes to rent - I think that if the location isn't "good" (under whatever conditions that might be), I simply won't find people who will want to rent it.
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Is that the only thing that a "farm" status change? So it is basically a bonus with no losses? :-)
No. Owning a farm property forces you to run it as company with bookkeeping etc. But only the farmland, forest and the farm buildings. The house you live in must be handled outside the company.
So it adds complexity but also possibilities.
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No. Owning a farm property forces you to run it as company with bookkeeping etc. But only the farmland, forest and the farm buildings. The house you live in must be handled outside the company.
So it adds complexity but also possibilities.
Well, I don't mind bookkeeping, as long as it gives me useful bonuses. I will have to research and find out what kinds of possibilities the farm status could bring me in Sweden.
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All @kungTulle:s examples are in the north, which give additional challenges, such as heating the house, there will be large amounts of snow, below zero (C) for at least 4-5 months, and the fact that it is dark in winter.
You also have to have your own car, as there is (probably) no public transportation available, and riding a bike in snow and ice is not very feasible.
If the property is remote, you will also have to solve how to mow a lot of snow, to get to public roads.
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All @kungTulle:s examples are in the north,
Yup I just looked for the cheapest ones ( ie closest possible to buildswedishes budget) with large gardens in the country right now at the "hemnet" site. And the all are in the north.
Someting similar close to where I live in middle Skåne would be one million kronor at least. There is a small farm with 5.5 hectares a few kilometers away for sale right now and the bids are already 1.8 million kronor. ( Been up at the sale site for like a week). I would have considered it myself since I really would like something with more land than I have now, but the house and the other building is to small. ( And the farmhouse is really dull... not like our farm that is an cool old thing from 1859!).
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Lol I actually found this one that is in Skåne with a big garden än a rather fair price...
http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-3rum-gullarp-osby-kommun-gullarp-3062-9551235 (http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-3rum-gullarp-osby-kommun-gullarp-3062-9551235)
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All @kungTulle:s examples are in the north, which give additional challenges, such as heating the house, there will be large amounts of snow, below zero (C) for at least 4-5 months, and the fact that it is dark in winter.
You also have to have your own car, as there is (probably) no public transportation available, and riding a bike in snow and ice is not very feasible.
If the property is remote, you will also have to solve how to mow a lot of snow, to get to public roads.
Hmm, if it's a small house, it's not hard to heat it, although I'm not sure how much wood would cost for me. If it's a big house, then it's a problem of course. I also don't mind below zero temperatures, especially if it's around -10-15C - I think that's a perfect temperature for a stroll - not too hot in winter clothes and not too cold so that it's unpleasant for your face. Or -20 if it's sunny and not too windy.
As for having my own car, I don't even know how to drive, never really needed to get around far - I walk everywhere for up to 2h. And if it's above an hour, it's less common. I don't know how it would be to walk deep in the snow though - I imagine quite a bit less pleasant. But still, up to that distance, I'm okay with walking.
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Yup I just looked for the cheapest ones ( ie closest possible to buildswedishes budget) with large gardens in the country right now at the "hemnet" site. And the all are in the north.
Someting similar close to where I live in middle Skåne would be one million kronor at least. There is a small farm with 5.5 hectares a few kilometers away for sale right now and the bids are already 1.8 million kronor. ( Been up at the sale site for like a week). I would have considered it myself since I really would like something with more land than I have now, but the house and the other building is to small. ( And the farmhouse is really dull... not like our farm that is an cool old thing from 1859!).
I would love to see some pictures of your farm - perhaps in a PM, if you would show them?
Lol I actually found this one that is in Skåne with a big garden än a rather fair price...
[url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-3rum-gullarp-osby-kommun-gullarp-3062-9551235[/url] ([url]http://www.hemnet.se/bostad/fritidshus-3rum-gullarp-osby-kommun-gullarp-3062-9551235[/url])
That is very nice, I agree. :-D
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Hmm, if it's a small house, it's not hard to heat it, although I'm not sure how much wood would cost for me. If it's a big house, then it's a problem of course. I also don't mind below zero temperatures, especially if it's around -10-15C - I think that's a perfect temperature for a stroll - not too hot in winter clothes and not too cold so that it's unpleasant for your face. Or -20 if it's sunny and not too windy.
As for having my own car, I don't even know how to drive, never really needed to get around far - I walk everywhere for up to 2h. And if it's above an hour, it's less common. I don't know how it would be to walk deep in the snow though - I imagine quite a bit less pleasant. But still, up to that distance, I'm okay with walking.
In the 1800:s, people obviously did not have cars, but then people had stored food, stored firewood and a horse, and where usually living in small clusters of houses. And they where used to handle all the problems that come with the cold and the dark.
If I may suggest, if the north appeals to you, try to find some small house to rent during the winter. To live remotely without means for moving around migth be more difficult than you imagine. Also the far north is less suitable for growing vegetables.
To walk for an hour migth not be much when the weather is nice, but not so nice when you really have to go somewhere to get groceries, and the weather is against you. It is very hard to walk trough snow, people use skis instead.
My house is 15 km from the nearest neigbor that lives all year round, and it is 35 km to the nearest shop for groceries. The road between the neigbor and the village with the shop goes trough an uninhabited forest. I would not dream of trying to walk or ski there in the winter.
There are to many cars, the road is icy and snowy, the forest is not really suitable för walking or skiing (rocks, trees, bushes and semifrozen marsh), and it is dark most of the time... I am not afraid of the dark, or afraid of wild animals, its just to much work, it would take one whole day at least.
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In the 1800:s, people obviously did not have cars, but then people had stored food, stored firewood and a horse, and where usually living in small clusters of houses. And they where used to handle all the problems that come with the cold and the dark.
If I may suggest, if the north appeals to you, try to find some small house to rent during the winter. To live remotely without means for moving around migth be more difficult than you imagine. Also the far north is less suitable for growing vegetables.
To walk for an hour migth not be much when the weather is nice, but not so nice when you really have to go somewhere to get groceries, and the weather is against you. It is very hard to walk trough snow, people use skis instead.
My house is 15 km from the nearest neigbor that lives all year round, and it is 35 km to the nearest shop for groceries. The road between the neigbor and the village with the shop goes trough an uninhabited forest. I would not dream of trying to walk or ski there in the winter.
There are to many cars, the road is icy and snowy, the forest is not really suitable för walking or skiing (rocks, trees, bushes and semifrozen marsh), and it is dark most of the time... I am not afraid of the dark, or afraid of wild animals, its just to much work, it would take one whole day at least.
Well, I'm planning to store food as well, firewood too, but not a horse, haha. I can store the type of food that I would use for 2-3 weeks at most, so at least twice a month I would have to go to the store. Not to mention it's a bit limited what I can carry, of course.
That is a great suggestion, but now that you layed out all the potential problems, I think that if it's the North - I can look for something close to a bus stop, which I can check on Google Maps before even coming (seeing as the trip would cost a lot, and I would prefer to take it only if I've done other checks about the land, so that if everything is as presented, I could buy it.
Do you think that's good enough, or is it still problematic even if there is a bus stop nearby?
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You will not find what you are looking for on Google maps. No bus stop and not even a reliable map. It is an aproximation of a map.
I just took a quick check around where I live and: first, the map is sligtly wrong (not very much but enough to almost make me laugh!)
and the existing buslines are not shown, nor are the busstops. The railroad and the trainstops show if I look for them, but that is not useful for shopping groceries.
It is not possible to use Google maps to get a reliable picture of the landscape around me. So, I would not trust that map to get any useful information.
It is certainly pssible to find a house close to a bus stop, but the method to find out if there is a bus stop and how often the bus runs (several times a day, once a day a few times a week?), will be by some other mean than google map. Every region in Sweden will have some public transportation, but the easiest way to fins out if there is a bus within reasonable distance from a house for sale, is probably to ask the real estate agent.
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You will not find what you are looking for on Google maps. No bus stop and not even a reliable map. It is an aproximation of a map.
I just took a quick check around where I live and: first, the map is sligtly wrong (not very much but enough to almost make me laugh!)
and the existing buslines are not shown, nor are the busstops. The railroad and the trainstops show if I look for them, but that is not useful for shopping groceries.
It is not possible to use Google maps to get a reliable picture of the landscape around me. So, I would not trust that map to get any useful information.
It is certainly pssible to find a house close to a bus stop, but the method to find out if there is a bus stop and how often the bus runs (several times a day, once a day a few times a week?), will be by some other mean than google map. Every region in Sweden will have some public transportation, but the easiest way to fins out if there is a bus within reasonable distance from a house for sale, is probably to ask the real estate agent.
I will make sure to do this. What else should I look at or ask before buying though?
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You want to buy for such a low price, that there is almost nothing on the market.
Any property at that price, will have semothing (or things) that are major drawbacks.
It could be:
badly situated: extremely close to a motorway, mine or a high-speed railroad line, or very close to a busy airport, or with somekind of industrial buildings and heavy related traffic close, such as a saw mill, paper mill, steel works or other.
Extremely bad shape of buildings: Rotting, or falling apart status of buildings. The buildingsmay be something to tear down, but then be careful, so that it is possible to get a buillding permit on the land...
Bad land: the plot may be marshy, rocky, steep or smothing else that make it unattractive and unsuitable for growing/gardening.
Lack of planning permission: for some reason, it is impossible to get building permit on the land. Any type of building/renovating activity could be banned as worst case.
Remote and no road in working order: Sometimes there a properties for sale, where the last part of the road is in bad shape (could be several km:s), and the cost to fix it would be huge. May be nice in summer, but could be extremely difficult in winter.
No electricity: the cost to get connected to the grid, could be substantial. It could cost several 100.000 if it is far to the closest point of cennection.
Well, and/or sewage not working/not up to todays standard. All sewage system has to be controlled at regular intervall and if not in accordance with the set standards, the owner will be forced to rebuild it, and will risk a fine. The cost of a sewage system is more than the budgetyuo have. A non working well has to be repaired or a new one made. This is not a diy-jobb, and the cost is also more than your budget for the property.
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You want to buy for such a low price, that there is almost nothing on the market.
Any property at that price, will have semothing (or things) that are major drawbacks.
It could be:
badly situated: extremely close to a motorway, mine or a high-speed railroad line, or very close to a busy airport, or with somekind of industrial buildings and heavy related traffic close, such as a saw mill, paper mill, steel works or other.
Extremely bad shape of buildings: Rotting, or falling apart status of buildings. The buildingsmay be something to tear down, but then be careful, so that it is possible to get a buillding permit on the land...
Bad land: the plot may be marshy, rocky, steep or smothing else that make it unattractive and unsuitable for growing/gardening.
Lack of planning permission: for some reason, it is impossible to get building permit on the land. Any type of building/renovating activity could be banned as worst case.
Remote and no road in working order: Sometimes there a properties for sale, where the last part of the road is in bad shape (could be several km:s), and the cost to fix it would be huge. May be nice in summer, but could be extremely difficult in winter.
No electricity: the cost to get connected to the grid, could be substantial. It could cost several 100.000 if it is far to the closest point of cennection.
Well, and/or sewage not working/not up to todays standard. All sewage system has to be controlled at regular intervall and if not in accordance with the set standards, the owner will be forced to rebuild it, and will risk a fine. The cost of a sewage system is more than the budgetyuo have. A non working well has to be repaired or a new one made. This is not a diy-jobb, and the cost is also more than your budget for the property.
Wowrecruitment@hotmail.com, that actually does sound pretty bad, except for the bad road - I walk and don't drive anyway.
How to know if everything is in order? I mean for loud placement I will notice it, but for sewage for example - I wouldn't notice it myself I think...
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Even though I personally think that your budget is to low, to find some property that is suitable, there may be something to be found. But you will have search hard, and it may take some time, probably several months at least.
There is a "duty of inspection" "undersökningsplikt" for buyers of real estate in Sweden. The inspection could be done by the buyer or by someone that does these inspections for a fee. The seller also is obliged to tell the truth about a property, but somehow, when there are things wrong with a property that is difficult to see with the naked eye, these things tend to be left untold...
One thing to do is to make a close inspection yourself of course, but that may be difficult for every possibly interesting property, if you are not staying in Sweden.
The other thing, is to prepare yourself with some kind of questionaire, that you could e-mail or post to the real estate agent, when you notice an interesting property online. And then hope that the real estate agent will answer truthfully.
Define your absolute minimum requirements in the questionaire, and those things that may be absolute stoppers, so that when you finally have som property that seems OK, you only have to inspect that one.
It is not possible to buy property without beeing present yourself, personal identification is must. All property is carefully registered in a government register (digital), including maps and measures of the property, buildings and plans of buildings, mortgages and owners (both present and previous).
Are you an EU citizen? There may be rules that restrict the buying of property for non Swedish residents in some cases, and even more restrictions for non-EU citizens. But in most cases it is possible for non-residents to buy property.
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Even though I personally think that your budget is to low, to find some property that is suitable, there may be something to be found. But you will have search hard, and it may take some time, probably several months at least.
There is a "duty of inspection" "undersökningsplikt" for buyers of real estate in Sweden. The inspection could be done by the buyer or by someone that does these inspections for a fee. The seller also is obliged to tell the truth about a property, but somehow, when there are things wrong with a property that is difficult to see with the naked eye, these things tend to be left untold...
One thing to do is to make a close inspection yourself of course, but that may be difficult for every possibly interesting property, if you are not staying in Sweden.
The other thing, is to prepare yourself with some kind of questionaire, that you could e-mail or post to the real estate agent, when you notice an interesting property online. And then hope that the real estate agent will answer truthfully.
Define your absolute minimum requirements in the questionaire, and those things that may be absolute stoppers, so that when you finally have som property that seems OK, you only have to inspect that one.
It is not possible to buy property without beeing present yourself, personal identification is must. All property is carefully registered in a government register (digital), including maps and measures of the property, buildings and plans of buildings, mortgages and owners (both present and previous).
Are you an EU citizen? There may be rules that restrict the buying of property for non Swedish residents in some cases, and even more restrictions for non-EU citizens. But in most cases it is possible for non-residents to buy property.
Well, I hope to find something quicker than that, but if course it's just hope and all. :-)
My absolute minimum requirements are just that it has all utilities and is livable, so not that much. I mean of course it shouldn't be rotten so that it could call on my head while in sleeping. :-) so I think I should instead just know the caveats (things that I couldn't see if I go there and that could be wrong). I already know now to make sure that utilities are proper, but what else I wonder.
And yes, I will of course be present (I would like to buy the next day after inspecting the property), and yes, I am a European citizen.
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Some ideas...
https://faircompanies.com/videos/dan-prices-underground-home-art-philosophy-on-5000year/
Check out the walipini concept too.